So things are getting slightly ridiculous. RJ Van Spaandonk, after his meltdown on Twitter on Tuesday came back this weekend in a column in “The Weekender”, the transcript of which you can find here. I need to say that this is the LAST time we will mention RJ in this blog as frankly we’re not going to get called out by his taunts and come across like the acrimonious nut jobs that we’ve been painted as. You need to ask yourself an important question, why would we feel the need to be vindictive and to grind an axe? Frankly all we want is some interaction with Core.
RJ goes on to explain how he was ripped apart online and recommends businesses shouldn’t interact with their customers online as they will just be malicious without any recourse. As an example, RJ talks about how most of his comments were taken out of context as only half of his purposefully sarcastic comments were shown as an example rather than the entire conversation. The simple fact of the matter is that we at Stopcore cannot show you the entire conversation and this is purely because we’ve been blocked from seeing his Twitter stream. Here’s the thing, this is not a way to engage with your customers. Honesty and openness will go much further than your taunts RJ.
I’m sorry, but the simple truth is when someone goes as far as to create a blog with the terms “stop” and your company name, you’ve probably upset a large amount of people. What this means is that engaging with them in a sarcastic manner (as smart and paradigm changing as you think it is) is not smart as you’re dealing with people who don’t find that funny. RJ talks about how business should not interact with their customers online as “I learned to my detriment that tyrants lurk around, trying to exploit your every mishap, and Twitter has rapidly become, like unmoderated blogs before it, the preserve of anonymous agitators trying to look clever at the expense of others.” This is absolutely rubbish. If you look at the likes of Dell, that have interacted online with their customers and created brand loyal customers. If I’ve managed to learn anything about people that complain online, all they need is honest interaction to change their tune. The thing you’ve misunderstood RJ, is that us “vindictive agitators” are actually terribly fickle and all we want is some honest, humble interaction rather than what you’ve described as “my brilliance”. I mean who even writes about themselves with terms like that?
Were you to interact with us in the same way you romance the traditional media, you’ll find we have the potential to be your biggest supporters and to grow your business even further.
The comment about how Apple is only 12.5% more expensive than in the US is illogical as well. Using the example of forward cover being set at nine rand when the actual exchange rate is just under 8 still does not add up. The amount (for a 15-Inch MBP 2.5Ghz at the R9.01 exchange) comes to R15291 for the unit (this is retail pricing not wholesale that Core pays) and even at ten rand to the dollar the amount comes to R17000. Now if you do the math and divide R20999 by R17000 you get a twenty percent markup. Now maybe since we’re a bunch of “vindictive” bloggers we’re obviously useless at maths but the simple fact is 12,5% and 20% are not equal. From my inquiries with importers Forward Cover it’s only worth getting if you’re getting paid over 6-months later as in general, this is the only length of time where the exchange rate will fluctuate dramatically. I’ve also been told that forward cover adds around 7% on to the cost so this makes me wonder where RJ gets his nine rand to the dollar figure. While this seven percent does technically add up to our twenty percent markup this is purely convenient (and incorrect) maths. Even if it were correct maths there would be two issues to consider here. The first issue is why should we as the consumer have to cover your long stock holding times (I mentioned it only makes sense to take forward cover for Core as their expensive products sit on their shelves for months) and secondly this amount makes sense on the retail, not wholesale price that Core gets their products at. When you take a lower wholesale price the cost is lower thus the Forward Cover percentage markup is on a lower amount meaning that there should be a less than 20% markup. It also means there is a lower VAT amount paid. The simple fact is, if Forward Cover is causing you such a hassle surely you’ve considered negotiating with the banks to lower the rate based on the amounts of money you bring in? If you want some help, I know people that import products and sell them at a lower rate than their competitors and still manage to live very comfortably. I say this in the most honest and not sarcastic tone possible if anyone has possibly made that mistake in confusing my tone.
The simple (and final) word on this is as such: stop with your and I quote “sarcasm” RJ, it’s not particularly helping endear yourself to anyone and more importantly it seems to have permeated your entire organisation. You’ve created a company that has made people grateful for being ripped off and having constantly bad service. The sad thing is you’re sitting on the biggest PR win in the entire country if only you engage us honestly. The thousands of people coming to this site and other blogs and forums are your customers and could be the best brand ambassadors you’ll ever have. Your sudden need to defend yourself shows only one thing: we are getting under your skin. The simplest and most elegant comment I’ve heard on your latest outburst is this: re: RJ – As they say, “a poor workman always blames his tool” and that is the final comment we will have in this frankly childish war of words.
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July 7th, 2009 at 6:29 am
Good post, what I find amazing is that Core decided to take forward cover on the R/$ exchange with the current market volatility who would be dumb enough to do that? er, wait, Core.
But as we all know RJ van Spaandonk is simply the (rather bad) PR guy for Core, the real person who should be engaged in discussion is Rodney Ichikowitz.
July 7th, 2009 at 7:19 am
Keep up the good work with this site. What surprises (and disappoints me) is that Core and their Moron-in-Chief RJ immediately take a defensive stance. This almost always backfires into a huge blow to the company’s reputation. In addition, RJ’s argument is based on the Appeal to Ridicule – an argument of fallacy.
See here: http://www.nizkor.org/features/fallacies/appeal-to-ridicule.html
And a full list of arguments of fallacy for future reference!
http://www.nizkor.org/features/fallacies/
Cheers,
Luke
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Honestly, a company that backs away from engaging their customers through channels like twitter and blogs doesn’t bode well for a trundin
July 8th, 2009 at 9:31 pm
We have had enough of this – this site is a step in the right direction. If core dont acknowledge this and take remedial action , then lets at least hope *someone* at apple notices it and either forces them to improve or finds another distributor.
I applaud your actions. Here’s a suggestion – why not have some sort of online petition / signup system that would allow us frustrated customers to be counted? You’re definitely not alone in this.
July 10th, 2009 at 11:50 am
I for one would be glad to sign a petition if it would help. Thanks for a great website, people need to realize they are getting ripped off and to do something about it. Why is it that South African’s just give up so easily? I hope this site will gain publicity and force Core into doing the right thing!
On another note, I would like to buy a 13″ Macbook Pro. Not at Core’s prices though! I have some friends who are abroad and could purchase the unit through them. Is this the only option I have or are there other Importers / Distributors I could contact here?
Isn’t it ridiculous that genuine Apple customers have to resort to importing themselves!
July 11th, 2009 at 3:23 pm
you Mac whiners can get me at rodney@core.co.za
August 24th, 2009 at 3:38 pm
Bizarre Twitter stream that!
As an absolute Apple product fan, and having two fully kitted business running close to 25 Macs, and no less than 4 in my house too, you could say I’ve spent a lot of money on Apple products. From Mac Pros, to MBPs to my iPhone and even Final Cut and iWork.
But I have drawn the line and will no longer be purchasing any products locally and I started with Aperture just the other day. I was on a regular London trip and purchased it, didn’t claim back the VAT (had no time) and even, shock horror, declared it with some other camera gear when I got to SA customs. I paid my VAT and have submitted the invoices to my accountant. And I saved R600.
I’m about to purchase a brand new 15″ and 17″ MBP, and guess what? No matter how much he argues in that Twitter stream, it’s cheaper for me to pay in Pounds than buying one here, it would be cheaper in Dollars, but I’m only in New York again in January. Rest assured, at least I can get the spec I want, have it done in store and walk out a happy customer.
I’m looking forward to having a new MBP shortly. But everything, from our OSX Server upgrades to the latest copy of Aperture will now be bought abroad or shipped in. Even with UPS + duties + VAT it’s cheaper, and wait for it: Quicker.
If I was one of the guys at Digicape (only Apple people I actually try to support if they have in what I want) I’d be tearing my hair out.